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If anyone has a deeper and more intricate knowledge of cardboard boxes, any contributions would be welcome. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.136.206 (talk o contribs) 16:56, 31 July 2005
Cardboard Box Moving Video
Paperboard
This article currently confuses corrugated cardboard with paperboard (the stuff cereal boxes is made out of) and uncorrugated cardboard (posterboard), such as is used for jigsaw puzzles. --Wahoofive (talk) 18:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Cardboard boxes in Popular Culture
Maybe a section could be added that talks about Various uses of Cardboard Boxes in Popular Culture.
The Most Prevalent in the Famous Metal Gear Solid Series where it is not only used as a disguise but has also become sort of a joke in the game where Snake has said "It was Like I was Meant to be in the Box" or "Love your Box" something like that... --dady5000 (talk) 18:50, 12th May 2006 (UTC)
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If such a thing is truly necessary, then why doesnt the article for barrel include references to Donkey Kong or Sly Cooper? I know this hasnt been touched on for almost two years but is this really encyclopedic? --Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.94.129 (talk) 01:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
You know, you could always extend the "Popular culture" subsection by stating that both Starsky & Hutch and The A-Team seem to crash through roughly 4000 cardboard boxes in every episode of their respective programs. Just a thought.
Box Size?
There are numbers of sizes for boxes? ShigeruNomi 23:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Homeless people
In the article it says "Living in a cardboard box is stereotypically associated with homelessness." I don't really know what stereotypically means but I've heard some people really live in boxes. --Taida 03:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Removed essay
I removed the following section from the article, as it seemed like an essay rather than a valid encyclopedia section (plus it was POV and belongs in the cardboard article, not cardboard box). It was written by 216.23.87.5 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). -- Powers T 14:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Its "CORRUGATED" NOT "CARDBOARD"
The public typically calls a corrugated box a "cardboard" box. Manufacturers of corrugated products do not like this reference. Within the industry, the material is known as "corrugated". The difference is that corrugated board is made of one(or more) layer of corrugated(wavy) paper bonded between two (or more) layers of flat paper, cardboard does not have the "corrugated" inner layer. Corrugated board is stiffer and more suitable for shipping containers and protecting its contents. Cardboard is better suited for printing and is used for cereal boxes and other similar light weight consumer packaging. Corrugated board is manufactured in varying strengths and thicknesses. If there is only one corrugated layer it is referred to as singlewall corrugated, if there are two corrugated layers it is referred to as "doublewall", three layers = triplewall, etc. etc.
Vandalism
I reverted an edit that was at best full of spelling errors and had no citations, but was most likely vandalism by Asnake8u. Mad031683 17:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Sir Malcolm Thornhill
I can find no source for the name Sir Malcolm Thornhill being associated with the first cardboard box. I've removed him, and made comments in edit summaries to that effect. His name was added several years ago, in a way that made it appear to be associated with the ref that provided the date, but I think it was likely just made up, or some guy adding the name of his friend or something. Since I removed it, at least four editors have put it back, with not so much as an edit summary to explain why. If there's a source, let's find it and add it; otherwise, let's leave it out, and not make wikipedia a source for misinformation. Please note that the numerous web pages that got it from wikipedia don't count as sources. Dicklyon (talk) 21:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
The latest one-edit wonder to put him back is John521242 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). I undid it. Dicklyon (talk) 05:25, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Cumulative list of WP:SPA's pushing Malcolm Thornhill or vandalizing my account in relation to me cleaning it up:
- Ajwenn82 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- Clblfgoldie123 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- John521242 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- Docklyon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- Steveo521242 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- 195.50.80.2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- ScarfeL (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Blatant Vandalism
I have received a number of messages regarding deletion of facts on this article, as I graduated Ohio university six years ago and have access to the complete collection of the Ohio Journal of Science I know for a fact that the cardboard box was bought into production by Sir Malcolm Thornhill, I have referenced it a number of times and yet it is still being deleted by users with total disregard to the useful research tool of wikipedia. It's a shame but what can you do. I wouldn't be surprised to find that Dick Lyon invented the cardboard next time a log on. He seems to like bullying new users to believe anything he writes. Is this what wikipedia is coming to? --Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk o contribs) 15:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
The source was clearly stated on wiki, and still deleted by I wonder who??? Have you said anything that you believe helps? --Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk o contribs) 16:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
In regards to Clblfgoldie123 comments I can fully agree, Dicklyon does seem to pick on new users, a number of people have made comments on this. Shame really. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveo521242 (talk o contribs) 19:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Yet again another dig at a new user --Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk o contribs) 09:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Right its time to end this silly argument, i am sure we all want the best for wiki so the way i see it is as follows: Dick has hinted that new users post "flaky content" and i have clearly said that he bullies new users. So lets see whos right I will try to prove my comments while Dick can prove his, since he believes in proving every fact on wiki he should have no problem. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk o contribs) 10:14, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I am away on business for a few days, however when I return the Thornhill fact shall be proved, until then please leave it alone unless proved otherwise. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.50.80.2 (talk) 13:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
It appears Mr.Dick may have made an error, in fact here is my contributions page: 10:14, 17 January 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dicklyon? (->Blatant Vandalism) 10:14, 17 January 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cardboard box? (->Blatant Vandalism) 09:35, 17 January 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cardboard box? (->Blatant Vandalism) 16:38, 16 January 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dicklyon? (->Blatant Vandalism) 16:36, 16 January 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cardboard box? (->Blatant Vandalism) 15:17, 16 January 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dicklyon? (->Image:AmericanScientistStamps_cropped.jpg listed for deletion) 15:13, 16 January 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Cardboard box? (->Sir Malcolm Thornhill) 10:49, 15 January 2008 (hist) (diff) Cardboard box? (->History) 10:00, 11 January 2008 (hist) (diff) Cardboard box? (->History)
I see nothing about Mr.Dick's friend David Mann or his stapler. False accusations Mr.Dick is not wanted here. Its not looking very good for you at the moment is it Mr.Dick?
Also the fact that the Thornhill thing has been on wiki two years before I even joined can hardly mean I just made it up, and the fact that a number of editors have added it since makes it even more likely that it is a correct fact. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk o contribs)
I wasn't aware that you were referring to the anonymous ID; I am not in any way related to that person. I though you was referring to me since I have not been signing off my postings properly. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk o contribs) 19:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I will try my best to get a source together when I can. I must say that I think all 'personal attacks' are entirely self inflicted, however this is not really the place to discuss this. So far I have evidence of Malcolm Thornhill producing the cardboard in 1817, however no evidence of him being a Sir or having any title at all, as far as I am aware he died in poverty. I will try to verify this fact before I post my evidence. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Clblfgoldie123 (talk o contribs) 20:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
The mockery continues in 2014 with Docklyon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). Dicklyon (talk) 16:24, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
another non-source for Malcolm Thornhill
This 2009 book lists Malcolm Thornhill as the inventor in 1817 of the cardboard box. Apparently this is copied from some of the wiki mirror sites that got the unsourced misinformation from here. I wrote the author to ask her source, since the book doesn't mention, but I got no reply. Dicklyon (talk) 02:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I reverted this edit that put Sir Malcolm Thornhill back in as inventor. It's another 2009 source being cited for this; again, almost certainly taken from Wikipedia, as no earlier source exists: Challoner, Jack (2009). 1001 Inventions that Changed the World. Cassell. p. 268. ISBN 978-1844036110. (Or possibly it's not actually in that source at all; if someone has it, let us know.) This was added by WP:SPA ScarfeL (talk · contribs) in May 2016. Dicklyon (talk) 15:42, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
I got a copy of the 1001 Inventions book, and sure enough Thornhill is in there with the 1817 date as the "first commercial cardboard box". Nevertheless, since it's a 2009 book, and the article had for a while associated that sourced date with that drive-by-added name, I don't think we can count this popular unsourced collection as a reliable source for the name that appeared in Wikipedia before anywhere else. Dicklyon (talk) 06:15, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Change to proper name
This title of this article needs to be changed from cardboard box to corrugated box as that is the term used most by manufacturers and by users of these boxes. Pkgx (talk) 19:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Split proposal
Recent edits are effectively a proposal to split off a new article Corrugated box from Cardboard box; Corrugated box started out as a redirect to Corrugated fiberboard. I'm adding proposal on behalf of those editors. Comments? Dicklyon (talk) 21:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose - since the terms cardboard box normally includes, and is the most common term for, corrugated boxes, I'd say a better strategy is to improve the article with this new info, instead of doing a content fork. Dicklyon (talk) 21:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- I support two articles because they cover two very different treatments of a related subject. The industrial use of these containers involves engineering and analyis: Nobody in industry calls these "cardboard". ASTM International defines corrugated box as a container having closed faces and completely enclosing the contents. When this term is used in connection with fiberboard boxes, such fiber boxes must comply with all the requirements of the carrier rules." The primary industry group of producers is The Fiber Box Association. The US Forest Products Laboratory calls these corrugted boxes or corrugated containers. TAPPI International calls these corrugated containers [2]. I would also support one article called corrugated box which would include some of the uses children have for them. Rlsheehan (talk) 22:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Any attempt to treat this subject technically would be negated by putting it in an article called "cardboard" box. "Cardboard" has no techical meaning. This is not a "Split" because the material is not in the cardboard article now. There is a need for a good technical article on "corugated boxes" or "corrugated containers". Pkgx (talk) 22:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Dicklyon is correct; we do not provide different treatments of the same subject in separate articles unless a single article becomes too long. Cardboard box is the common name for this item, and any technical details should go in this article. Powers T 12:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Rewrite by Rlsheehan
Numerous edits by Rlsheehan seem to be primarily directed toward changing the tone and topic of the article to get away from the most common usage of the term "cardboard box" to refer to containers made of corrugated fiberboard. I've reverted some of that (twice now); per WP:BRD, he should now come here and discuss why he wants such a radical change in direction of the article, why he objects to the lead image in the lead, what he intends to do with the material he deletes without comment (e.g. on living in cardboard boxes), etc. Dicklyon (talk) 19:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
non-specialist usage
The term non-specialist had been deleted because an editor did not have citations. The industry usage has been supported now with two good citations and the non-specialist qualifier restored. Rlsheehan (talk) 15:25, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I edited the term 'Cliche' to the more appropriate term 'trope'. This is due in part to definition. Cliche denotes something that is tired, old, overdone and overused. However, this is still a very valid and credible circumstance. Therefore, the term trope seems highly appropriate. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.204.5.22 (talk) 22:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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Moving cardboard boxes
I have the sensation that there is a standard size for cardboard boxes used for moving in a new flat. It is possible that the standard extends to all other types of shipping. At the very least, if you ask people in France, Germany or Sweden for "moving cardboard boxes" they seem to give you boxes of the same dimensions. Does anybody have more info on that? Could somebody add a section to lighten us up? -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Cristiklein (talk o contribs) 16:21, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
History section needs mention of the Industrial Revolution
The /* History */ section should mention for each step in the evolution of the cardboard box, whether a machine was part of it. The Industrial Revolution's introduction of machines, especially non-human powered machines, made cardboard boxes (and much else) economical, allowing their wide use. I hope someone adds text based on the current citations and finds new citations to add to our readers understanding of how this technology developed. Lentower (talk) 16:19, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hook and Heimlich
The dead link to the Hook and Heimlich document at Ohio State is unfortunate, as that's where the 1817 date comes from. According to the doc "Community Development Series - Factsheets Removed from Ohioline - 2016", their "A History of Packaging, CDFS-133 Paula Hook, Joe E. Heimlich" is one of many fact-sheets being taken offline for unspecified reasons. Perhaps we could impose on them to put them back? In the mean time, it's content can be found broken up in this Orkut page. Dicklyon (talk) 05:21, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Source for 1817
Rather than rely on the broken link to the non-archived and now-deleted Ohio State report, let's us an oft-cited history of packaging that has the same result. Here's what it says, in part, about the origin of cardboard boxes around that time in England:
It is difficult, if not impossible, to separate the early history of packaging from the early history of boxmaking, but it is evident that some of the first boxmakers in England were craftsmen who made boxes to sell, empty, to the public, not to sell to manufacturers for the packaging of their products: in this category were the widow Cooper, already mentioned (page 31), and the street vendor of 'Band Boxes' who was the subject of a plate in Modern London, 1805, which showed him crying his wares in Bond Street (plate 73).
The first serious research into early boxmaking in Britain was undertaken by the anonymous author of a series of articles published in a now defunct trade journal, the Paper Container, in 1922. He dates the birth of the boxmaking industry in Britain as 1817, the year in which the oldest boxmaking business known by name was established - M. Treverton & Son. A firm of this name was still trading 105 years later, when the Paper Container articles appeared; it had been founded when a Mr Treverton 'placed on the market in London a small box which was made of chipwood and covered both inside and out with paper, the whole thing being something similar to our present matchbox'. Treverton seems to have got the idea - which was scarcely a revolutionary one, even in 1817 - from a Frenchman with whom he was associated, whose name has not come down to us.
London's second recorded boxmaker was William Austin, who used paper tubes made from old ledger paper to make round boxes of the pill-box type; presumably by this use of secondhand material he was able to price them even lower than chipwood boxes of the same shape. It is thought that Austin took over the business (in 1825) from a manufacturer who was also a street vendor of boxes.
- Alec Davis (1967). Package and Print: The Development of Container and Label Design. Clarkson N. Potter Inc. p. 62.
At least we ought to include M. Treverton & Son as the 1817 producer. Dicklyon (talk) 20:18, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
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